DW: How do you view the current situation in Catalonia?
Francisco Caja: Frankly, the situation is quite grave, an emergency situation that calls for extraordinary measures: the provisions in the constitution to redirect what can be considered a coup d'etat and restore the rule of law in Catalonia that has been violated by the autonomous government of Catalan regional President Carles Puigdemont.
The Catalan government carried out the destruction of democracy by perversely using institutional instruments, beginning with schools, continuing with mediums of mass communication and ending with the regional police, which is a politicized police. The non-nationalists are truly suffering from the suppression of basic rights. The separation of powers, a democratic norm, has been destroyed here. This is the problem. Political powers in Catalonia do not adhere to the law. It is a pre-democratic situation.
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You mentioned the need for extraordinary measures. What would these be?
Firstly, in light of serious crimes based on the Spanish penal code, this would be the application of Article 155, which was actually inspired by the German Basic Law. If Spain's autonomous communities do not comply with national law, the article authorizes the central government to intervene over the regional public authorities. Article 155 does not lay out concrete measures. This requires an execution plan that is very precise, very calculated and very detailed in order to return to constitutional foundations and restore democracy in Catalonia.
If Article 155 is applied, it will be the first time ever. How did things arrive at this critical point?
That is the basic question needed to understand what is going on. In this political age, we know what nationalism is. I have analyzed the ideology of Catalan nationalism and its racial basis. It is a form of racism. The writings that outline Catalan nationalism, including those by Jordi Pujol, Catalonia's president from 1980 to 2003, show that he had a plan to take power over Catalan society by controlling schools, universities, and press. A clientele system has been created, and it has replaced the free market in order to control the consciousness of Catalan citizens.
But the secessionists would argue that the central government has its own clientele system with the press, with the judicial courts. How do you respond to their opinion?
The problem, in any case, is that even if the Popular Party of current Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy is corrupt, this doesn't authorize corruption on the part of Catalan authorities. But the newspapers in the rest of Spain are not subsidized by the government — or at least not subsidized like they are in Catalonia. For example, in 2010 after the Constitutional Court struck down measures in the Catalan Statute of Autonomy, all the Catalan newspapers jointly published a nearly identical editorial. This is unthinkable unless there is direct political control.
With respect to the media, it doesn't seem like your organization, Convivencia, or other groups opposing independence have as strong a public presence as the pro-separatists.
Yes, because control of public mediums is in the hands of political authorities. There are blacklists. I can tell you my personal experience: I have been banned from public mediums. The only time I have been able to appear is because they have wanted to get certain information out of me, such as when we published a study disproving the argument that in Germany there is a 4-percent limit on transfers to the central government. This is one of the irrational arguments that Catalan separatists use when they argue that "Spain robs us."
Convivencia is involved in the anti-independence demonstration that is set to take place in Barcelona this Sunday, October 8. What do you hope to show and achieve?
First, we want to publically show that a majority of Catalans do not support secession. The secessionist movement is heavily financed by the Catalan regional government. We have no more resources than those that come from our members. And second, we want to demand that our government, the government of Spain, act and apply the law. Government officials are responsible for enforcing the law, and the laws are not being fulfilled in Catalonia. We are seeing the secessionist leaders making a joke of the constitution and getting off the hook, as if they had not committed any crime.
So do you feel a little abandoned by the central government?
Not a little abandoned! Absolutely abandoned! When Madrid does not apply the law and the penal code to conduct that, which it classifies as crimes, well, just imagine — and I am using a dangerous and a politically incorrect example — but just imagine that the law was not applied to rapists. A rapist could confess, knowing that he wouldn't be punished. The court and the government could say whatever they wanted, but if the law wasn't applied, if he wasn't detained, tried and condemned, what security would there be for women? None. It is the same for the citizens of Catalonia. We do not have any form of security. We are not really citizens. Secession was decreed a long time ago for us, and we do not have our basic rights that are guaranteed by the application of law and the penalization of those who violate it.
If a unilateral declaration of independence for Catalonia is issued, what could Convivencia do?
In principle, we don't have any political power. We are an exclusively civil organization. But what we can do is defend our rights and civil liberties. We citizens, individually and collectively, can use legal means to demand that the government apply the law. But the actual application of law rests with the political authorities. It is the government's task. And we can't do it for them. They have to act rapidly, intelligently and efficiently with a plan to reconstruct the state of law in Catalonia. And not by sending in the police to beat down crowds. But without the intervention of the government, we can do very little. I am not going to take to the streets in armed protest. And citizens should not become cannon fodder just to cover the ineptitude of the central government.
Francisco Caja is a professor of Aesthetics at the University of Barcelona, as well as the president of "Convivencia Civica Catalana" (Civil Coexistence Catalan), a nongovernmental organization founded in 1998 that coordinates other civil organizations and publishes studies on the political and economic situation in Catalonia. It also supports the "free linguistic choice" between Spanish and Catalan in education and is against a breakaway from Spain.